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Can There be Abusive Women in Abusive Relationships?

  
  
  
  

abusive womenAre there abusive women?  Yes.  Can women be the cause of abusive relationships?  Yes.

There are a number of posts on this Counseling Men blog about abusive men.  And justifiably so, because men can often be the source of abuse in abusive relationships, but so can women.

At Guy Stuff Counseling we work with women who’s male partners are abusive.  But some of the men who come to us are also in abusive relationships with abusive women.  One of the ironies of abusive relationships is that many women are aware of their male partner’s abuse, however, a lot of men are not aware that their wife or girlfriend is abusive.

Why are men so often blind to abusive women?  Because women are more often subtlety and passively abusive, as opposed to men who are more direct and outwardly abusive.  Verbal abuse, emotional abuse, and psychological abuse are the most common types of abuse inflicted by abusive women.  Men on the other hand can be physically and sexually abusive in addition to these others. 

Because of the different styles of abuse used by women compared to men, in abusive relationships it’s very common for men to believe that they’re the problem and the abuser, not their partner.

Phil came to Guy Stuff Counseling for anger management classes after months and months of demanding by his wife that he do something to change.  There was no doubt that Phil had an anger problem – he threw things, punched holes in the wall, he even punched a metal door, and Phil finally recognized he needed anger help when he snapped and threw his son across his bed.

The irony in Phil’s situation is that not only does he have an anger problem, but he also has an abusive wife.  Which causes which -- his anger or her verbal abuse?  Which is the source of the problem -- his explosive outbursts or her blaming him for everything?  These difficult and unanswered questions have kept Phil for a longtime stuck and not knowing what to do.

Here’s how Phil describes his relationship:

  • “We have these misunderstandings and I get this whole schpeel of crap from her of how it’s my fault.”
  • “I have to deal with her constant dumping on me.”
  • She sees things very one sided, me at fault, and is incapable of seeing that I could have a point.
  • "She's very good at fixing everyone else, but not herself.”
  • "I’m supposed to put up with her crap while I work on my crap.  Why am I supposed to be sympathetic and empathetic to her issues when she isn't to mine?"
  • "She told me ‘I’ve been miserable since I met you’.”

Can you see yourself or your partner in any of the above?  Could it be possible that you’re in a relationship with an abusive woman?  If you think it might be possible, then get some professional counseling help to find out if you’re right and what to do about it.  We help abusive relationships change and become healthy, happy relationships every day -- even Phil's.  You deserve to have one too.

Comments

While his wife might be abusive, I don't necessarily see her comment regarding being miserable since she met him as evidence of that, and that is the only specific example provided. She might have said that out of sheer frustration and upset, as being abused takes a huge toll on one's self-esteem and sense of well-being. It's easy to get overwhelmed with emotion when you're on the receiving end of physical and/or emotional/verbal abuse. 
 
Speaking as the wife of a physically, verbally, and emotionally abusive husband, I too have been accused by him of expecting him to do all the changing, however, even a therapist has been unable to convince him otherwise. The therapist explained to me that abusers have a very difficult time taking responsibility for their behavior and tend to be very defensive when anyone suggests that they have done anything wrong- which they clearly have.  
 
He also may be lying about what his wife is doing or not doing- my husband does, and has been caught in those lies repeatedly. When he is, he never has anything further to say- until the next time he becomes angry and he makes more false accusations or repeats previous ones.  
 
The comment about 'why should I have to change and show empathy?' is so immature- one changes bad behavior because it's the right thing to do- a good relationship is not a pissing contest.
Posted @ Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:21 AM by Stacey
Stacey, Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experience. I can assure you that this guy is in an abusive relationship and is trying to change more than his wife. He does struggle with his anger, which can be abusive too.  
 
You make some good points and are correct about both partners needing to take responsibility for changing their behavior. i'm sorry to hear that your husband has not. The point of this article was to recognize that there are men who are abused too.
Posted @ Wednesday, February 08, 2012 6:14 PM by Kurt Smith, MFT, AFC
This is an important topic. Your article raises an interesting dilemna- "it's easy for men to believe that they're the problem and abuser, not their partner" So how do you differentiate this? Could you elaborate with more criteria to help recognize this dynamic?  
 
Would I be correct that an abusive spouse offers a significant challenge in perceiiving their abusive behavior and the need for them to participate in counseling with you?  
 
Does this ever have any correlation with women who claim a moral high ground, either religious based, feminine politics, etc? It occurs to me that abusive partners might sometimes use a cloak of rightousnesss in one form or another to avoid introspection or as an authority for asserting their views as unchallengable. Some of the rigidity of the comments from wives about porn made me think of this. If marriage is a commitment to each other, don't our attitudes have to be open to learning how to cope with the weaknesses and needs we all have as human beings and avoid taking unilateral positions that allow no way to grow beyond a problem?
Posted @ Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:10 AM by Ralph
It is a common notion that when discussing abusive relationships, it is the men who are always blamed. This is because it is the subject connotes only physical abuse. However, there are also women that are abusive in relationships usually through verbal abuse. Situations such as this should be addressed immediately to avoid damaging the relationship.
Posted @ Friday, March 30, 2012 2:00 AM by family counseling Metro Atlanta
i feel like the men are the ones to blame for being abusive
Posted @ Monday, April 02, 2012 9:10 AM by Lil Money
Ralph, Good questions. Yes, it is a significant challenge getting an abusive partner to recognize their behavior. Often because their partner gives them behavior that is wrong that they can distract on. Yes, attitudes have to be open by both partners to have a healthy relationship. For many of us, how to do that is a learning process that takes time. -Kurt
Posted @ Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:56 PM by Kurt Smith, MFT, AFC
I am a women and I used to lash out at my husband in the same manner you gave examples of. I had to get myself years of therapy, but I can honestly say that I am proud the women I have become. I knew I was dealing with verbal abuse when I was growing up, but my only exposure to finding "the right way a family should act", was watching "Little House on the Prairie". I needed to be taught the little details of how a family is supposed to function on a daily basis. I was like trying to return to grade school and deal with the bad grades, bullies, and boys with parents that were emotionally stable. It took along time, but I was told that I accomplished my goal to becoming an informed women. I am now on this site trying to help a man that I recognize is being abused and it is tough to watch, but I am keeping my cool.
Posted @ Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:44 PM by Humbled
Humbled, Thank you so much for sharing your story. It is a lot of work to change, but soooo worth it. And it's always possible. You should be proud of who you've become. -Kurt
Posted @ Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:52 PM by Kurt Smith, MFT, AFC
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